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Ok, wat doen we nu met Bordeaux 2008?

  • Anonymous avatar

    Jan

    Prikkers,

    De laatste jaren heb ik Bordeaux niet meer op de voet gevolgd, en heb dus jullie advies nodig.

    Ik zie dat de Bordeaux 2008 primeur prijzen een stuk lager liggen dan eerdere primeurcampagnes. Ik hoor ook ook geluiden dat de handel en de Chateau eigenaren nog volop 2006 en 2007 wijnen hebben liggen. Mogelijk komen deze tegen forse kortingen als nog op de markt.

    Hoe verhouden de jaargangen 2006, 2007 en 2008 zich. Welke jaargang is het best?

    Wat is een nuttige strategie?

    Wachten tot 2008 op de markt komt (weet je zeker dat je de flessen krijgt en kans op prijsstijgingen niet zo groot?)?

    Je slag slaan met 2006 en 2007?

    Ik weet het niet. Graag jullie opinie.

    Groeten,

    Jan

  • Anonymous avatar

    ralph

    aan de zojuist vrijgegeven scores te zien van 2008, heeft Parker zijn Bordo-vrinden wat geholpen. Ben benieuwd hoe hard sommige wijnen weer gaan zakken in puntjes als de definitieve scores over een half jaar tot een jaar bekend gemaakt worden

  • Anonymous avatar

    Geert

    Kan iemand wat meer specifieke scores van Parker posten?

  • Anonymous avatar

    Dick Schinkel.

    Ok Geert :

    Chateau Lafite-Rothschild 1. Cru classé Pauillac 98-100

    Petrus Pomerol 98-100

    Chateau Bellevue Mondotte St. Emilion 96-98+

    Château Pavie 1. Cru classé B St. Emilion 96-98+

    Chateau Pontet Canet 5. Cru classé Pauillac 96-98+

    Chateau Ducru Beaucaillou 2. Cru classé St. Julien 96-98

    Chateau Hosanna Pomerol 96-98

    Chateau Latour 1. Cru Classe Pauillac 96-98

    Château Ausone Premier Cru Classé St. Emilion A 96-100

    Chateau Trotanoy Pomerol 96-100

    Chateau Le Gay Pomerol 95-98

    Château Leoville-Las-Cases 2. Cru classé St. Julien 95-97+

    Chateau Haut-Brion 1. Cru classé Graves 95-97

    Château Haut Bailly Cru Classé Graves 95-97

    Chateau Larcis-Ducasse Grand Cru Classé, St. Emilion 95-97

    Chateau Margaux 1.Cru classé Margaux 95-97

    Chateau Cheval Blanc 1. Grand Cru Classé A St. Emilion 95-97

    Château Montrose 2. Cru classé St. Estephe 95-97

    Chateau Palmer 3. Cru classé Margaux 95-97

    La Providence Pomerol 95-97

    Chateau Troplong Mondot Grand Cru classé St. Emilion 95-97

    Chateau d'Yquem Sauternes 95-97

    Château Le Dôme St. Emilion 95-97

    Chateau Gracia Grand Cru St. Emilion 94-97

    Chateau Branon Pessac Leognan 94-97

    Chateau Clinet Pomerol 94-97

    Chateau Lafleur Pomerol 94-96+

    Chateau La Mission Haut Brion Cru classé Graves 94-96+

    Chateau Cos d'Estournel 2. Cru Classé St. Estephe 94-96+

    Château L'Eglise Clinet Pomerol 94-96+

    Château Le Pin Pomerol 94-96

    Chateau Mouton-Rothschild 1. Cru Classé Pauillac 94-96

    Chateau de Fargues Sauternes 94-96

    Chateau Pape Clement Cru classé Graves 94-96

    Chateau Gazin Pomerol 94-96

    Château Pavie Decesse Saint-Emilion Grand cru classé 94-96

    Château Pichon Lalande 2. Cru classé Pauillac 94-96

    Chateau Bon Pasteur Pomerol 93-96

    Château La Mondotte Grand Cru Classé St. Emilion 93-95+

    Chateau La Fleur de Gay Pomerol 93-95+

    Clos St. Martin Grand Cru St. Emilion 93-95+

    Chateau la Croix Saint Georges Pomerol 93-95

    Chateau La Gomerie Grand Cru St. Emilion 93-95

    Chateau Le Plus de la Fleur de Bouard Lalande Pomerol 93-95

    Château Croix de Labrie St. Emilion 93-95

    Château Duhart Milon Rothschild 4. Cru Classé Pauillac 93-95

    Château L'Evangile Pomerol 93-95

    Château Pavie Macquin Saint-Emilion Grand Cru Classé 93-95

    Chateau Smith Haut-Lafitte Rouge Cru Classé Graves 93-95

    Chateau Suduiraut 1. Grand Cru Classe Sauternes 93-95

    Chateau Climens Sauternes 92-95

    Met smakelijke groet Dick.

  • Anonymous avatar

    John Copier

    Jan,

    Kijk op deze site. RP z'n uitkomsten heeft hij onlangs bekend gemaakt (zie de gegevens van Dick Schinkel) en zullen binnen afzienbare termijn op deze site worden bijgeboekt.

    http://www.bordoverview.com/

    John

  • Anonymous avatar

    Dick Schinkel.

    Leoville Barton 92-94

    Calon Segur 90-93

    En nog wat ome Bob :

    It did not take me long to realize that the 2008 vintage was dramatically better than I had expected. It had all the qualities that make an excellent and in some cases, a great vintage so special: exceptionally dark opaque colors, gorgeously ripe fruit, stunning purity almost across the board, great freshness (because it was a cool year), slightly higher acids than normal, and remarkable density as well as concentration. Moreover, one of the significant keys to evaluating quality is the maturity of the tannins. In 2008, the tannins are unusually velvety, even in wines that may lack concentration. By day three I was thinking about how this could have happened. When you look at all the facts (not the rumor-mongering from irresponsible bloggers), it seems clear that after the vinifications were done in late October and early November, something excellent had been produced. The wine producers all knew it, but Bordeaux is always the first to be accused of over-hyping their wines, and the global economic crisis had begun in earnest by November, 2008.

    The overall characteristics of the 2008s

    There is no question that Pomerol seems to be the epicenter of many extraordinary wines. I would even go so far as to say the 2008 Pomerols eclipse/surpass the quality of the 2005s, 2001s, and 2000s. It is an amazing vintage in Pomerol, and this carries over to some of the finest wines made in the satellite appellation of Lalande de Pomerol. St.-Emilion, given its incredible diversity, range of styles, and huge surface area, has just about everything. An extremely strong vintage, it appears to be a notch below 2005, but it is better than any other vintage of the last decade except 2000. Not surprisingly, in both Pomerol and St.-Emilion, yields are frightfully low. Normal yields tend to be between 40 and 60 hectoliters per hectare, but in 2008, yields ranged from a low of 12 to around 25-30 hectoliters per hectare. In the Médoc, yields were higher, but still modest, and much lower than most recent vintages. Some great wines were produced in the Médoc, yet styles can differ. There are producers who made soft, forward wines, and others who aimed for a denser, richer, concentrated style. This applies to the Pessac-Léognan/Graves region as well. What was evident in my tastings was that all the regions exhibited the following traits: (1) dense purple, opaque colors; (2) an exceptional density of ripe, but not overripe or under-ripe fruit; (3) incredibly sweet, velvety tannins, even though, analytically, most estates had indices of polyphenols/tannin/extract that were equivalent to what was achieved in 2005; (4) very fresh, crisp acids, and (5) surprisingly high alcohol, 13%-14.5% being the norm. One can#8217;t really taste the acidity as one often does in young Burgundy, but there is a precision, nuanced, fresh character to these very intense wines that is somewhat reminiscent of the way the top wines presented themselves in 1996 and 1986, but the finest 2008s are more dense.

    To reiterate, the cool weather, low yields, and historic hang-time allowed most vineyards to harvest as late as they wanted. They were able to achieve incredibly sweet tannins as well as ripe fruit, with no danger of over-ripeness because there was no excessive heat. Moreover, the 2008s possess a purity and freshness that are admirable. Because the tannins are so sweet, and there is so much fruit in the wines, they should be approachable young, but the freshness and high level of extract and tannins will allow them to age for 20-30+ years.